User talk:Chaetodipus

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Thanks! Mikemoral (talk) 11:04, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Complete author names and links

Hello, there is a recommendation in the Village Pump for always using the complete author names (as in their corresponding page), and the links wherever the author is shown. For example {{a|Arnoldo de Winkelried Bertoni|W. Bertoni}}. Regards.--Hector Bottai (talk) 10:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I'll keep it in mind from now on. Mikemoral (talk) 10:28, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hector is right, however I don't think he really means the Village Pump. Information about formatting author names and the use of author templates is described in the Help:Reference section guideline. Kind regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 21:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

Also, when referring to the author regarding publications in the "References" section the format should be {{a|Arnoldo de Winkelried Bertoni|Bertoni, W.}} with the initial after the surname, rather than in front of it. (In lists of taxa in the "Name" and "Synonyms" section it should of course be the other way around i.e. {{a|Arnoldo de Winkelried Bertoni|W. Bertoni}} since that's his formal author abbreviation.) –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 21:51, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

Thanks for letting me know, I'll make sure to keep this consistent as I go. Thanks again, Mikemoral (talk) 07:48, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Template:Deppe, W., 1830

I'm a little confused by this reference, so I'd like to doublecheck I udnerstand things right before I try a different formatting of it:

1. This is a reprint of a small pamphlet/list originally published in 1830, correct?
2. Are you sure about the 1868 publication date? Vol. 11 has a printed date of 1863.

Circeus (talk) 18:35, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

@Circeus: Yes, the article is a reprint from a price-list by Wilhelm Deppe from 1830, but was later republished in the journal in 1863, which is the correct year. The article notes the list is verbatim from the original. Mikemoral (talk) 20:09, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Alright. That's actually fairly straightforward to deal with. Circeus (talk) 21:04, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

@Circeus: Is there a specific reference format that I can follow for reprinted materials? As far as I can tell, the original 1830 list isn't available online, if available at all. Mikemoral (talk) 08:17, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

I'd forgotten about this @.@. Going to edit the template now.

We don't really have a defined format in so far as ideally we would not cite from reprinted material (especially in a taxonomic context), so what I'm using's a little ad hoc, but fairly straightforward: basically cite the item as originally published, followed by the reprint info in brackets. Circeus (talk) 11:40, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

@Circeus: Thanks, I'll still try to look for the original, but something tells me it's either lost, or buried deep somewhere in a German museum. Mikemoral (talk) 12:08, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I agree, and I've cited reprinted stuff before myself. It's just important to make sure the distinction between the original source and the place you're indicating/linking to for convenience is clear.

The list's equivalent for botany would probably be the Index Seminum of the 19th century, plant catalogs that were issued for seed exchanges between botanical gardens, but there is a very good digitized archive for these, thankfully.Circeus (talk) 17:23, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Synonyms and combinations autorship

Dear friend, I am far to be any expert in nomenclature but your excelent edition on Pachyramphus aglaiae synonyms seems to me not correct. One thing is Platypsaris affinis Elliot, 1859, which is correct, a differente designation synonym; other thing are Psaris aglaiae Kaup, 1851 and Hadrostomus aglaiae Cabanis & Heine, 1859 which are subsequent combinations of the original designation. On my view should be Psaris aglaiae (Lafresnaye, 1839) according Kaup, 1851. Repeat, I am not an expert but this is the way I see everywhere in Zoology. Cheers! --Hector Bottai (talk) 20:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hector Bottai: From what I understood, Kaup decided Pachyramphus aglaiae Lafresnaye, 1839 belonged to the genus Psaris and subgenus Pachyramphus (BHL). Meanwhile, it looks like Cabanis and Heine put P. aglaiae into the genus Hadrostomus (BHL), with Hadrostomus is apparently a synonym of Pachyramphus. I'm no expert either so I am probably getting the terminology wrong here. Perhaps partly the issue is that I failed to include the citations to the literature I consulted. Mikemoral (talk) 01:52, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

You are right, both authors changed the genus, but this doesn't make them new authors of the taxon, that continues to be Lafresnaye. The reason of authorship in parenthesis is because the original genus of the description was changed. Regards.--Hector Bottai (talk) 02:03, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah okay, should it would be more correct to state Lafresnaye as the species author even if Kaup and also Cabanis and Heine decided to change the genus. So should the entry be for example, "Psaris aglaiae (Lafresnaye, 1839) per Kaup, 1851"? Mikemoral (talk) 02:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Sounds perfect for me.--Hector Bottai (talk) 10:57, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

I made a few changes which should correct any issue. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, Mikemoral (talk) 11:12, 5 May 2020 (UTC)